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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:47:00 -
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This is an interesting slant to the story I must say. I had previously been operating on the devchat log account of what happened and come to the conclusion that the laser shouldn't have been in the game. But if Sarruu acquired it in the manner he says (and benefit of the doubt is very much in favour of taking such honesty at face value) then it is a roleplaying event that led to the passing of technology into the game universe.
The only reason taggart got involved was their public rep for having shed-loads of the money and some ethics by the sound of things.
Therefore its a clean action entirely from the perspective of players.
If the GM shouldn't have introduced the item then sure, the chap needs better management in the future. But if it was me running the game I'd stick with what has happened.
A single laser of that type is more interesting from a roleplaying implications and public relations perspective than its abrupt removal would be.
Still that doesn't mean to say I wouldn't advocate a Jovian attack fleet to come to Venal and ask for their laser back with menaces ;)
If anything this matter has demonstrated that knee-jerk opinions and rash accusations are the real problem here. Read the poor old roleplaying forum for heaven's sake! Those threads turned into a bearpit last night ... people threatening to cancel accounts ... accusations of photoshop fraud ... reputations trashed ... toys out of prams ... etc etc ...
A little bit more trust in the integrity of fellow players would not go amiss chaps.
Lets at least wait for the facts in future before calling for lynchings ... if this player community wants to flourish then a little more respect and tolerence is needed ooc ... no matter how fraught and appalling the galactic situation becomes ic.
Rule of thumb ... count to 60 before posting anything inspired by angry lunatic thoughts ... and for the love of heaven please stop spamming the ic forum with ooc comment ... clearly the general discussion is the place for this.
Love and peace.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:13:00 -
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Regardless of how it happened, who it happened to and where it happened, one point is clear: IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
Releasing LVL5 tech before we even have LVL2 is a pathetic joke.
I disagree ... lone items of hightechnology manufacture are the stuff of interesting scifi. Genre films and novels are rife with whole lostech theme.
The key here is the super rare nature.
As long as these are single items with no ability to be replicated or mass produced then its not really a matter of game balance.
If it was a blueprint for a tech 5 item then hell yes, it would be a hideous gaff.
But there is a huge difference between 1 item and thousands.
Even a weapon would be potentially interesting I think ... if known pirate lunatic scored a lev 5 tech railgun from a jovian for example .. yes, the first reaction would be fear, then maybe jealously .. but then, very quickly after it would be the desire for acquisition and the thrill of the chase.
Characters would kill for possession of such a thing, and it would make for an interesting dynamic as megacorps bid hugely for bountry hunters to earn their finders fee.
But ultimately do remember .. as long as its not a blueprint it is super rare and effectively irrelevent in overall galactic balance of power.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:29:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
Pish and tish! You are talking nonsense! The item entered the gameworld ... it got sold to a corp with the money to buy it. That is a clear game transaction for hard isk. No different from me selling a rare beam to the highest bidder. Its disingenuous to blame this on a cosy roleplaying stitch-up, and silly to believe that the people who roleplay stuff are not every bit as competitive players of the game as those who do not.
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So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
Or there is confusion amongst the people involved ... lets try the benefit of the doubt and see what comes out maybe ?
Honestly ... all this knee-jerk think the worst of fellow players and gm's stuff is a bit tragic.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/08/2003 12:50:09
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Look as the devs have already stated that laser was NOT supposed to be in game. So just cut the 'super corp' and roleplay carp and admit that what you did was wrong.
It's not as simple as that clearly ... if the chaps account is true about the finding then I can't see any fault on the part of players. And as for witchhunts m'dear, glass houses perchance?
Re roleplay carp (i assume you mean crap .. but in-character ornamental fish would be more amusing) whatever, you don't like it fine, but don't count on the back-to-basics hardcore gamey tough-oop-north gruffness of raw powergaming being any more valid for the purposes of debate ... takes all sorts ...
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You might not have known about it (YEAH)
Call me a liar m'dear and I may have to get a little more robust in my opinions and language.
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... but it was wrong, so stop trying to justify it and makeout like it was some AMAZING GREAT idea.
I don't think that is what I am doing ... if you see the other thread I authored you will see I was pretty frank in admission of mistake (on the understanding it was a laser that wasn't supposed to be in the gameworld)
Now though we have this chat claiming it was introduced via a roleplayed discussion with "jovian" gm character.
That leaves things open to question.
You would have been wise to consider the facts from a few more angles yourself m'dear before knee-jerking the "if this stands I quit and cancel" response last night.
That hardly made you come across as an objective observer dear Stavros.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:48:00 -
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Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post.
I believe there is room for confusion and muddied perspectives and it would be wise to not force a conclusion as yet. Maybe someone lied, maybe someone didn't understand the facts ... hell, is it so difficult to be a little bit charitable in the expectation ?
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Oh, when can I expect you to make a formal apology for me being podded by the aliance you speak for ?
Raise a question with the facts of the circumstance in RP forum ... and I investigate and give a response.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:12:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:21:00 -
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I do not mind rpers but I am not interested in playing that way. I simply want a decent objective answer on this NONE rp forum as to where the items came from and what will be done about removing them.
Entirely fair .... to a point .. but then you end on the prejudgement that such a thing needs removing ... maybe it does, but according to the account at the beginning of this thread ... maybe it doesn't ... the point about waiting for an objective response and sensible descision is that you actually wait for the outcome .. rather than announcing the prefered verdict in advance m'dear.
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And jade you can PR all you want at the end of the day your opinions are you own and only shared by a very few others (mainly in tti)
Good lord mate! thats a sweeping generalisation ... who declared the "most people love me" **** measuring competition? Psssshawww .. thats a bit a desparate call to the gallery you must admit.
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... most people have the good sense to know that this affair stinks and no amount of verbal forum wrangling is going to alter that.
I simply don't know that it does, or that it actually looks that way ... if the chap who authored this thread is telling the truth (and as yet i have seen absolutely no reason to doubt that) then nothing stinks at all from the player perspective.
From my point of view the only thank stinks at all is the kneejerk holier-than-thou hypocrisy from some quarters.
If you chose to wait for official word then excellent .. I applaud your good sense, but while waiting you might consider holding fire on the murky accusations and slander perchance?
Just a suggestion dear chap.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:25:00 -
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No, I don't want to ***** about my losing a ship, I want to know why I wasn't asked to buy a passage. But let's leave this thread to the mysterious player versus GM story.
Agreed, but do ask in the roleplaying forum if you would like to know why. I will be happy to respond to the question there.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:52:00 -
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Thanks for that Jade.....
A bit of trust in the intregity of player who didn't report tech lvl5 miners when these players clearly knew they shouldn't be in the game...
I don't think you can say that. If the event proceeded as it was described then the player in question had every right to believe the equipment had a place in the game. Knock the "roleplaying" angle all you like, but this game comes with background and the promise of roleplaying content. Why is it so difficult to expect such to manifest in these kind of ways?
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:11:00 -
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[To Bad Harlequin]
Your response and analysis of various of my posts in this thread is a little confusing so forgive me if I have this muddled...
Is what you are basically saying;
1. That I was wrong to refuse to discuss an unrelated matter (the destruction of this chap's ship by VA forces) in this thread.
2. That I am biased on this matter because I have done TTI press releases and that as a consequence may opinion that the community should perhaps take Saruu at his word is invalid.
3. That I'm naughty for taking the mickey out of an amusing typo.
4. (again with reference to the chap whose ship was blown up by Venal) that I have lost all credibility for not wanting to deal with that issue in this thread about the Jovian incident.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood any of that.
But on the assumption that is indeed what you mean then let me say first, I am not unsympathetic to the guys loss, and I am not distrusting his word ... indeed by asking him to start a thread in the roleplay forum, I am inviting him to talk about the matter in an appropriate place where I can do the matter justice in its own right.
If I seemed snappy then I apologise, but I really was unwilling to see the thread deflected from the core point (Saruu's story) into a completely different "how bad VA is" thread. The latter thread is entirely appropriate and something I will be glad to play with, but I really feel it needed to be separate.
Re spelling mistakes and poking fun ... again, I apologise if you were offended, but sometimes I see the humour in such and can't help but make quips. That said, I make mistakes too, and people take the mickey out of them as well.
These things happen.
Anyhow .. please let me know if I have misunderstood these arguments and points .. I assure you if I have it wasn't intentional.
Love and peace.
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